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Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Peewee » Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:05 pm

After a long fight with Nice about "whats a basic attack" I sent a letter to WoTC.... Nice said that any Melee attack power which was Strength vs. AC was a basic melee attack and any ranged attack that used Dex vs. AC was a Ranged Basic Attack...

here is my Question

One of my players is attempting to classify basic melee attack as any attack (as well as at-will powers,encounter, and dailys)as any power which is an Attack - Strength vs AC -, the player possess Bracers of Mighty Striking (pg 244) and has been using the damage bonus for all exploits which uses Strength vs AC.

and here is the message from WoTC

A power needs to have the 'basic melee attack' descriptor in order to qualify as a basic melee attack. By default, there are no powers that fall into this category. (An example you can use would be Eldritch Blast or Magic Missile, which explicitly state that they are basic ranged attacks)
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Dwraith » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:16 pm

Here is the real question of the hour. Has Wizards released a PDF of the FAQ yet? I ask because till i see one, i am not taking an email as a viable source for answers to some of my questions...

This is from the PHB page 287

"Basic Attack
A basic attack is an at-will attack power that everyone
possesses, regardless of class. The power comes in two
forms: melee and ranged. You calculate the attack
bonuses of a basic attack like those of any other attack
power (page 274).
When a power allows you to make a basic attack, you
can make either a melee basic attack or a ranged basic
attack. If a power specifically calls for a melee basic
attack or a ranged basic attack, you must use that type.
You use a melee basic attack to make an opportunity
attack, and some powers or effects (especially
warlord powers) give you the ability to make a basic
attack when it isn’t your turn.

Melee Basic Attack Basic Attack
You resort to the simple attack you learned when you first picked
up a melee weapon.
At-Will ✦ Weapon
Standard Action Melee weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Strength vs. AC
Hit: 1[W] + Strength modifier damage.
Increase damage to 2[W] + Strength modifier at 21st level.
Special: You can use an unarmed attack as a weapon to
make a melee basic attack.

Ranged Basic Attack Basic Attack
You resort to the simple attack you learned when you first picked
up a ranged weapon.
At-Will ✦ Weapon
Standard Action Ranged weapon
Target: One creature
Attack: Dexterity vs. AC
Hit: 1[W] + Dexterity modifier damage.
Increase damage to 2[W] + Dexterity modifier at 21st level.
Special: Weapons with the heavy thrown property (see
page 216) use Strength instead of Dexterity for attack
rolls and damage rolls.
Special: Warlocks can use eldritch blast as a ranged basic
attack, and wizards can use magic missile as a ranged
basic attack.
Like other ranged attacks, ranged basic attacks provoke
opportunity attacks."


Notice that both are like at will cards? They are like that for a reason. As you go up in level you basic attack goes up too. Also in little listing is points out that Eldritch Blast and Magic Missile are Range Basic attack. Again the rule of Specific over general comes in to play. If it doesn't state it, it doesn't work...

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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Peewee » Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:51 am

So is an e-mail from WoTC, you know they created the game... I would think they know the rules better then you. (BTW, the people who do Q&A's now have direct access to the designers.. as they sit less then 50' from eachother)

and yes, they have an FAQ on the wizards site for 4e... Link below

http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wiz ... faqid=1397

now if you want I can always PDF it for you :oP
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Needles » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:40 am

Nice, you say that any power that has "STR" vs."AC" is a basic attack. You truly don't understand the game. You haven't read the next to last chapter that states what a basic attack is. It is understandable, I didn't understand that any spell could be attached to any wand. I recently got it though, the wand in the players handbook states that such and such spell level is this level and lower is such and such level wand. :D
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Dwraith » Wed Oct 08, 2008 9:41 am

thanks so much for the link....
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Peewee » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:46 am

Dwraith wrote:thanks so much for the link....


Anytime bro... also there was a very intresting thread on the Wizards board which was a player comiled FAQ (emails) I'm trying to find it..
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Peewee » Wed Oct 08, 2008 10:48 am

Needles wrote:Nice, you say that any power that has "STR" vs."AC" is a basic attack. You truly don't understand the game. You haven't read the next to last chapter that states what a basic attack is. It is understandable, I didn't understand that any spell could be attached to any wand. I recently got it though, the wand in the players handbook states that such and such spell level is this level and lower is such and such level wand. :D


it all happaned because Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, was adding his +2 from his bracers to his special attacks with his warlord... I was like WOW I must have those braces.. till I read it.. only works with basic melee attacks.
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Dwraith » Wed Oct 08, 2008 1:08 pm

those bracers are great for a fighter with there mark ability....
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Peewee » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:29 pm

Dwraith wrote:those bracers are great for a fighter with there mark ability....


Hell ya.. but become 100% worthless once you pick up Heavy Blade Oppatunest

BTW office FAQ from the WOTC site

Switching from one handed to two handed on a weapons is a free action, which means you can even do it when its not your turn.
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Needles » Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:50 pm

You know what guys, the aegis of shielding only works with immediate reactions. So does the aegis of assault, you can't mix those powers with opportunity attacks. They are two separate attacks. I don’t know how aegis of shielding works with immediate action attacks. Some of those Swordmage powers can be activated when an enemy attacks someone else when you have aegis of shielding. Intelligent Blademaster, and Heavy Blade Opportunity I would have to keep in order to play with aegis of assault. I see your cleverness, Peter, in not having to have Intelligent Blademaster once you have Heavy Blade Opportunity. :D
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby Peewee » Wed Oct 08, 2008 3:27 pm

Needles wrote:I see your cleverness, Peter, in not having to have Intelligent Blademaster once you have Heavy Blade Opportunity. :D


:) glad to help

keep Int Blademaster till 11th level and just retrain it to Heavy Blade Opportunity... unless you have the mighty striking bracers, with the right combination of items you can make your basic attacks hit harder then your at-wills.. at least for now, once the arcane book comes out (which covers sword mages) it may change.
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Re: Q&A - 10-07-08

Postby grey » Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:57 am

A basic attack is an at-will attack power that everyone possesses, regardless of class.


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