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Postby Peewee » Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:57 pm

itit01 wrote:idk outland was clean the few times I went ther, and Ive hear some good things about that store thats in cutler ridge.....i mean cutler bay


I like outland.. but get more then two tables playing and you cant hear eachother if you are more then 6" away
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Postby The Heretic » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:14 pm

I wasnt referring to Outland. I was referring to scumshine
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I see hypocrisy is alive and well

Postby thetrickygnome » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:44 pm

I wasnt referring to Outland. I was referring to scumshine


Hey is this the same "scumshine" that a few months you walked into
and actually spent some of YOUR money in the store that you just
spoke poorly of?

Adolpho, look up the meaning of the word "hypocrite" in the
dictionary. For some reason you might be well-acquainted with the
words.

It's funny how with the arrival of this new store, you've become so
much more vocal and brave about trashing Sunshine. I mean I was
recently made aware of how you, Ramon, and Peter ganged up on
Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, at the Summoning and ripped Sunshine and Joel a new
orifice. Takes alot of guts to have three people gang up on one
person. Yeah.. gold star for you sparky.

Hey maybe this new store might give you a chance to bring forth
that Golden Age" of Living City that you promised years ago,.. the
same one that never happened despite all the rhetoric.

For the record my allegiance is to the gaming hobby and not to any
one store in particular. Last I remember, that was part of the mission
statement of the Miami Circle. How sad to see you spit on something
that you once loved so much. I'll go to Sunshine and the new store
because I think the greater the number of gaming stores that exist,
the greater the gaming opportunities there will be. It's simple logic,
devoid of the anger, vitriolic venom, and spite hatred that festers
inside of you.

You're entitled to your opinion and to feel however you want. Just do
us all a favor don't be a hypocrite and make sure your courage is not
based on convenience.

Oh, and for the record, I have problems telling anyone how I feel
about this to there face...one on one. This is not a threat but a simple
statement of fact.

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Postby Thanos » Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:44 pm

more stores the better I like them all but IF one caters to gamers better then other then more power too them. Capitalism for the win?

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Postby thetrickygnome » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:21 pm

more stores the better I like them all but IF one caters to gamers better then other then more power too them. Capitalism for the win?


You got it my friend. We need more gaming stores to offer more
gaming opportunities. Not all game stores will be run as well as others
but the point is to have more in order to increase play opportunity
for the player base. No doubt the stores will compete against one
another but competition is good because it usually has a better effect
for the sake of the consumer. Competition also makes poeple evaluate
the way they do things and try to make positive change. Like you
implied - it's a win / win situation for the players.

My beef here is that alot of what is being said and done is coming out
now because of this new store. I hadn't seen the term "scumshine"
used on this board in ages and Adolpho even walked into Joels
store months ago and spent money there. Suddenly this new store
opens up and he and others have no qualms about starting the
venomous rhetoric and posting it in public forums like this. Hell, Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami,
told me he got ganged up on at the Summoning by Adolpho, Ramon,
& Peter about Joels store. That was very classless in my opinion and
Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, even said he felt like he was under attack or something.

Where was all the big talk and the courage from Adolpho and others
when this new store was not around? Where was he when the Miami
Circle was going to crap? Where was the energy and the drive? All I
remember is promises made and largely unfulfilled..

I think every one agrees that Joel has problems and issues that have
made him alot of enemies. What I don't like is that now that this new
store is here, people are coming out the wood works and suddenly
growing a spine. It's like some form of hunting season has been
declared and Sunshine Roleplayers is in the crosshairs of alot of
people who not long ago were going there and spending money. I say
let the stores compete and do so fairly. People can attend whatever
store they want but just don't be a two-faced hypocrite with a sudden
streak of courage because of this new store. That only makes the
people who act this way look like a bunch of punks.

I'll spend my money wherever it does the best for me but I will also
help out a store different stores every now and then even if it means
paying a few extra bucks with a book purchase now and then. So yes,
I will spend money at Sunshine and I will spend money at Silver
Dragon. Gamers/players need to focus on the survival of the gaming
community and not just A GAMING STORE.

There is an old proverb about putting all ones eggs in a basket.
Something to think about perhaps.

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Postby Thanos » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:43 pm

I agree with you I will spend money at both if they make it worth my while to show up. Offering tournaments/gamedays or whatever. In fact I usually hold off buying game supplies if a game day is a few weeks away.

If Sunshine goes out of business it is bad for gamers in the area.

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Postby Needles » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:21 pm

I like competition, I don't like monopolies. I hope Sunshine stays in business. The store is one of the cheapest places around. You buy at a discount.
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Re: I see hypocrisy is alive and well

Postby The Heretic » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:36 pm

thetrickygnome wrote:
I wasnt referring to Outland. I was referring to scumshine


Hey is this the same "scumshine" that a few months you walked into
and actually spent some of YOUR money in the store that you just
spoke poorly of?

Adolpho, look up the meaning of the word "hypocrite" in the
dictionary. For some reason you might be well-acquainted with the
words.



Now to inform the bellicose. Had to buy the damn thing I needed. Didnt want to take the trip to broward to get it. Outland had none. So before you hit a hornets nest and call me the worst insult you could call me, ask me about the situation and dont assume. The store is scumshine for me. Is now, was then and will be till I help close it down.
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Postby thetrickygnome » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:07 pm

Adolpho, then we agree to disagree.

The fact that you are going to go 110% full throttle to actually try to
put Joel out of business is wrong IMHO. People who have a problem
with Joel take the high road and if you don't like his store then do not
attend it. I hate to get all historical here but Martin Luther King and
alot of other historical figures accomplished alot thru passive
resistance. Passive resistance is simply not going to his store and
embracing the new one. The fact that you want actively attempt to
wipe a store off the map and are willing to go as far as you are just
messed up. Joel has made his share of enemies but if his survival or
lack there of should not be because there is some planned form of
overt assault on his store. IMHO, it goes against alot of what the
reason for the creation fo the Miami Circle is about.

It's entirely possible that he may have thrown the first stone but with
the new store around, do you really need to start tossing boulders at
him? You've already achieved victory with the new store because I
know enough people will go to it to keep it viable - I may not have been
there but like you, I have eyes and ears in many places.

To end this, I will use the line that Batman told Ra-Zagul as they were
battling it out on the train as it was heading for destruction and Ra-Zagul
was in a position of imminent death.

" I will not kill you but this time I won't save you either. "

Be the better man and walk the higher road because if you don't, does
that not mean that you are using similiar tactics used against you years
ago? We'll talk Saturday but understand that we may have different
views of the same situation.

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Postby The Heretic » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:41 pm

very well detective.
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Postby grey » Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:48 pm

unfortunately Joel is his own worst enemy.
and I don't see that changing.
and to be honest a litttle cleaning and some paint would go a long way to making the place nicer.

I haven't been in there for some time because of that and other reasons

But whatever I wish Joel luck
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Re: I see hypocrisy is alive and well

Postby Peewee » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:01 pm

thetrickygnome wrote: It's funny how with the arrival of this new store, you've become so much more vocal and brave about trashing Sunshine. I mean I was recently made aware of how you, Ramon, and Peter ganged up on Ra.lph, at the Summoning and ripped Sunshine and Joel a new orifice. Takes allot of guts to have three people gang up on one person. Yeah.. gold star for you sparky.


Rene, did you forget how old Joel fucked us over at the summoning with the warhammer 40k events? Did you forget how he ran his own 40k game day when he agreed to run and offer prize support for a 40k tournament at the summoning?

Joel has treated me like sh*t more than once, refuses to carry my company’s games and still expected me to run my campaign in his store.

The new store wants to hang a PCI banner and has already ordered Players Guides to Arcanis and Witch Hunter: The invisible world game books.


thetrickygnome wrote:
For the record my allegiance is to the gaming hobby and not to any one store in particular. Last I remember, that was part of the mission statement of the Miami Circle. How sad to see you spit on something that you once loved so much. I'll go to Sunshine and the new store because I think the greater the number of gaming stores that exist, the greater the gaming opportunities there will be. It's simple logic, devoid of the anger, vitriolic venom, and spite hatred that festers inside of you.


The difference is that The Miami Circle is a gaming club, not so much of a business. In business your underlining mission statement is to be better than any other store.

The older stores are then forced to evolve or die…

Everyone knows where I stand… he fucked us over, now that there is a new game store in town…guess who becomes my main store…

He wants to support local game companies; he wants to be a comfortable place to hang out, and he wants to now only sell games, but even take the time to introduce players to new ones. Oh and the best part, he will stay open as long as people want to play… no longer will a game day be kicked out because it’s too late.

Sorry the new store is cleaner, larger, and better run (you can flip through a book without being questioned if you are going to buy it or not!)
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My point went completely over your head!!!

Postby thetrickygnome » Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:03 pm

Everyone knows where I stand… he fucked us over, now that there is a new game store in town…guess who becomes my main store…

He wants to support local game companies; he wants to be a comfortable place to hang out, and he wants to now only sell games, but even take the time to introduce players to new ones. Oh and the best part, he will stay open as long as people want to play… no longer will a game day be kicked out because it’s too late.

Sorry the new store is cleaner, larger, and better run (you can flip through a book without being questioned if you are going to buy it or not!)


Well for as much spite you have over him f*cking you over, you sure
as hell went to his store enough times after the fact. You could have
gone to Outland to get your stuff and there is always online
purchase. Plus you have a billion connections due to your Paradigm
ownership. You know Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, sets up LG, LA, & Blackmoor games all the
time and he would do the same for Witchhunter if you wanted. This is
one of my main points - if you take a stand for something and you have
so much revulsion towards someone or something and beleive it with
all your convictions as apparently you and others do then you'd
better stick to your guns and stand by what you say because otherwise
your words don't mean crap. If you have so much loathing for Joel and
Sunshine then DON't GO TO HIS STORE...EVER... FOR ANYTHING...
PERIOD!! because if you do then you're full of sh*t and that makes
you the word that someone does not like. Sorry if you can't
understand what I am saying or agree with me but personally I think
I am making sense.

As for the new store, apparently you missed my point completely. I
don't know if it's because your love affair with the new store has
given you tunnel vision or something but I'll try to keep it simple for
you. I WANT THIS NEW STORE TO SUCCEED!!! Wow, amazing huh?
I want to be able to attend multiple gaming stores when I want. I
want to go to this new store because it is closer to my house than
Sunshine and it is close to Mall fo The Americas that I go to alot for
the movies. I am excited about this new store and I am anxious to
get involved with it and enjoy it's presence. IS this clear enough for
you? If not, then maybe the phrse "reading is fundamental" might ring
a bell?

This is where I object. Your buddy told me he plans on walking into
Joels store and announcing the new stores presence in the middle of
a major tournament. That behavior is disgusting and I am suprised
that someone like you who values integrity and tries to take the high
road and be the better person would agree to this kind of behavior.
The whole beef all along was that there was too mcuh focus on Sunshine
Roleplayers and it needed to change. Okay, problem solved- now you
have your new store and the environment you want. Fate has granted
you your prize, the stars have aligned in your favor and after rubbing
the Buddhas belly, apparently you got your wish. Anything beyond this
as far as blatant and concerted effort to destroy another persons
livelihood is wrong. I am not sitting here and saying that Joel is a saint
because he isn't but neither does that mean that you have to engage
in a path of vindictive onslaught against a person that utterly destroys
their livelihood.You got what you
wanted - a new store that caters to gamers the way you want. Leave
it that and if enough players respond to this new store ( and apparently
they have so far ) things will take care of themselves without the need
to engage some twisted path of retribution.

If however you do decide to willingly and overtly wage war against
Joel and Sunshine even though you now have the store and ambiance
you always wanted then let me know ahead of time so we terminate
our friendship immediately.. and this goes for anyone who is a friend
and wants to join your grand crusade.

I don't have a problem with the new store. I want the new store around
and I will go to it, purchase their products, and play in the store. I will
gladly help to make sure it is a success but not if doing so means I
have to voluntarily take measures to destroy another persons livelihood.
If you can't understand this then I pity you.

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Postby Peewee » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:29 pm

Rene,

I will never act directlyt agaest Sunshine.. but I will run events at the other store...

BTW: I have not brought a book from Sunshine in over 2 years.. I go to the store to play LG once in a wile.. thats it.
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Too much to summarize but I'll try

Postby thetrickygnome » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:04 pm

Well if my reputation for being a typing madman is earned then we are
the same boat.

First of all, I did not specifically call you a hypocrite. I said that those
people who have been trashing Joels store with relentless fury and
yet have gone to his store and purchased stuff from him or attended
his games are acting very contrary to their words and the spirit of
intent of those words and their emotions. Bottom line is if you are
going to take a verbal stand then see it all the way through. Don't
half ass it. Now as to including you in calling you a hypocrite you are
wrong. As a matter of fact, I specifically spoke to Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, and Monica
on the phone yesterday and I mentioned that the one thing I can say
about your behavior towards Joel since that incident is that you have
been utterly consistent and a man of your word. You said you would
not attend or promote his store and you have done so. I even gave
you credit for sticking to your guns and that the others who feel as
you do should follow your example. When you said "No" to Joel and
his store, you meant it and you have demonstrated this & I respect
you for this. If you choose not to beleive me then call Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, or
Monica and ask them yourself.

As to what is done against Joels store, I will try to be clear ONCE
AGAIN on this. I have no problem with you giving your opinion of
Joel's store to someone, even if you trash his store and say all the
laundry list of horrible things he has done, whether true or percieved.
If Peter, Adolpho, or anyone else wants to do this then fine. If you
or they choose not to go to his store then fine. Again, I have no
problem with this. However, any act of aggression such as walking
into Joels store and going off like some game show anouncer or info-
mercial about the other store with the reason being to humiliate
him and destroy his
store which is his livelihood and business is IMHO flat out wrong and
I'm not the only one who feels this way. The new store's emergence
is the victory those who don't like Joel or his store were looking for. It
is the alternative location that apparently caters to gamers in way
that Joel has either not done or been percieved to have failed to do
for many years. The dependance on Sunshine is no more. So any
form of overt aggression with intent to destroy his business in IMHO
unnecessary and the tactics of a bully. I intend to support the new
store but I will not engage in wanton vengeance against Joels store.
Let them compete and let the chips fall where they may.

But when someone asks me for my opinion about his store and what he has to offer, I most certainly will share my experience. Why? Because word of mouth is free. He generates his own reputation based on the actions he has chosen to commit.


You are correct and your opinion of him is your right. You may express
it as you wish but walking into his store in the middle of a tournament
and going off in the name of the other store and blasting him in front
of his clients while on the property that he is paying rent on is wrong.
If you want to tell people the expereinces you had with Joel, even if
they are mostly bad then go for it. However, even freedom of speech
can be a weapon of abuse and it is not absolute. Otherwise you could
say the word "bomb" on a plane without issue or yell "Fire" in a crowded
movie theater and not be prosecuted for the people who are hurt or
killed when the trample ensues. Oddly, we agree more than you think
on this matter. I just find it strange that you seem to think otherwise.

And as for Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, and the ganging up part, those were his words to me
so point the gun somewhere else. He said he felt pressured, backed
into a corner, and uncomfortable having three people hammer him
about Joel, his store, and the many sins associated with it. Take that
up with him and don't kill the messenger.

You can feel sympathy for him, but don't be altruistic about what he is. Call a spade a spade.


Indeed I do. I feel sympathy for someone who is trying to maintain a
business that supports their family and has people putting the proverbial
knives to his throat, whether the blades were earned or not. Despite all
his mistakes, him paranoia, his poor decisions, I have 20 years of
history with the store and I think keeping it open as another source for
gamers to go to IF THEY WANT is not a bad thing. However, Joel is a
victim of many of his own poor decisions and to a certain degree, his
inflexibility as well as his paranoia. Those decisions carry consequences
and at the end of the day we must answer to them - in this I think we
agree. However, as I said earlier and to quote Batman to Rhaza-ghul
" I will not kill you but this time I will not save you either." I do not
think it is alot ot ask that people go about the matter of the Sunshine &
the new store co-existing with the spirit of this quote in mind.

Lastly, since we are on the topic of standing by your words, here's a
bit of news that might interest you. I distinctly remember you saying
that you would not have anything to do with Michael Jones in any way
due to your differences with him. Well I also know that you signed up
to play the special mission that is for Larry Crieger and the formation
of a Temple of Mayhayeine ( I probably mispelled her name ). Well
just to let you know, Michael Jones is apparently not only going to write
that special misison but he is apparently going to run it as well. Thus
I am curious to see where you convictions fall in this regard. Better for
you to know now than later Ramon.

You have my phone number. Call my cell if you want to talk about this
in a more private setting. I had hoped to leave this alone until Saturday
when I went to the new store and talk to Peter and especially Adolpho
who was a bit "peeved" by my comments but your extensive posts
on this matter twisted my arm and I felt the need to at least respond
to some of your points and clear the air. I will once again ATTEMPT to
leave this matter alone until Saturday.

Signed- Rene' Alfonso


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