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Postby grey » Tue Dec 18, 2001 11:34 pm

The Encyclopedia Britannica defines the word game as "a universal form of recreation generally including any activity engaged in for diversion or amusement and often establishing a situation that involves a contest or rivalry." To this definition, in our particular circles, we can add the extra prefix of "role-playing," which denotes the action of taking on the role of a different person. Combined, these two terms come together to define one of our favorite past-times, Role Playing Games, games in which we take on the persona (or role) of a different person we have put together in our minds, and interact with its particular environment, whether it be a high fantasy world or the far reaches of space.

We also take on a title, a name that denotes our interest and passion, one that we bear like a badge of pride: Gamer. To many, the word signifies the dedication and love that we have for the hobby and our position within a specific sub-culture of society. Granted, within the sub-culture there are many different subdivisions, such as Card Gamer, or Miniature Gamer, but at heart we are all the same. But what happens when we interact with others who come into our world, into our turf, and they are not Gamers?

I do not mean non-gamers, people who are not there to game, but rather those that are there to play, those that are there to take part of our world, but simply are not Gamers. I will call them simply Players, denoting their involvement. Oftentimes (and I have seen and lived this first-hand) Gamers treat Players with an air of discontent, with reactions ranging from mild disinterest in the Player, all the way to undisguised hostility and ridicule. After all, what is a Player doing in a Gamer's world? Well, quite simply, playing, precisely the same thing we Gamers are there to do.

Why do I bring this topic up, you may be asking? I think it is long due that we address the issue of the interaction between Gamers and Players. I am a Gamer, and have been for 13 years (that's half of my life), and in my time I have even done the very same things I described above. That a non-Gamer could come into my world and share in my passion without any of the long-term attachment was both ludicrous and a bit offensive. Of course, this was when I was 13 and just starting out. I later learned not to do this, as it reminded me of the same kind of ridicule I was facing from other kids for being a 'nerd' and a 'freak.' But that's beside the point.

The point I am trying to make is this: as Gamers we have to learn how to interact with non-gamers and Players in the same way we interact with each other. Being a Gamer is akin to a way of life, and that's fine, but we have to learn not to berate other who have not chose this path. I'll give you an example: my girlfriend is not a Gamer by any stretch of the imagination, but she enjoys immensely playing Vampire and Changeling. Players are people who, quite simply, like to play X or Y game and that's it. In fact, there are many Gamerz

s who are just like that, they enjoy to play X or Y game and that's it. The difference comes in outlook. I wish I had a foolproof definition of what exactly makes up a Gamer, but I don't. But we all know who is and who isn't.

I am tired of hearing horror stories of how a Player was treated in such and such a way when he or she played a game with X group, or went to a Con or Game Day. As Gamers (stereotypically speaking) we should be well aware of how it feels to be treated like an outsider. Maybe it is time we start treating others as we would like to be treated ourselves.

This is a call to all Gamers to open their proverbial arms to all Players who come to the table. Gamers or Players, we are all there together for one common purpose, to have some fun. We should not be fixating on whether a particular person wears that imaginary badge of Gamer or Player; when we sit at the table, we're all comrades in gaming. If Gamers continue to ignore and alienate Players, the most horrible future awaits our hobby: without new players, Gamers or otherwise, our hobby, our passion, will fade and die, leaving us with distant memories of games past. And I for one am not ready to see that happen any time in the next millennium.

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Postby Guest » Tue Mar 05, 2002 2:08 pm

Musing on Gaming tis a sad endeavour. I must say that I had wasted almost 6 years of my young life in the degrading hobby called gaming. To think all the worthless and obnoxious people I hung out with while gaming makes me want to vomit. I cannot believe the combination of idiots, losers and all around pathetic groups of neanderthals that gamming produces and attracts. Like a herion user finally being successful with rehab I have successfully severed all ties with the gaming community.
I return now only to attempt to shepard those lost fools who still hold onto this futile pursuit. Think of all the wonderful experiences you are missing while playing a stupid childish game in a freaking smelly gaming store or home. Think about the love of a beautiful woman (whose not obese)... actually seeing your penis for the first time in 15 yrs cause u actually dont have a belly due to joining a gym.... All these wonderful things and more can be at your door step.... And all it requires is a one way ticket to adulthood.

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Postby Green Knight » Tue Mar 05, 2002 3:49 pm

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Postby grey » Tue Mar 05, 2002 5:05 pm

Some men spend 4 hours once a week hanging out the afformentioned losers. playing a game called d&d.

then some other guys spend 4 hours a week hanging out with a bunch of other losers, with their huge beer bellies, in front of a tv. Watching this thing called football. Which is probably the gayest sport on the planet. A bunch of guys in tight pants running around a feild pitching and catching. Getting hot and sweaty jumping on top of each other, patting each other on the ass for no reason. and after they get done playing they all take a shower together.

I don't see why you would think that gamming is any worse than any other hobby that most people have.

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Postby Green Knight » Tue Mar 05, 2002 6:54 pm

Damn, this thread has now become doubly offensive towards me. First someone bashing RPG's, now someone bashing football. I like Transformers cartoons and Shakespeares' plays, too. Would anyone like to bash those, as well? :razz: :lol:

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Postby Guest » Wed Mar 06, 2002 10:38 am

How this turns into a bashing of Football I will never know.... But back to the topic at hand. Losers are what gaming attracts. Losers who are so disillusioned with their normal lives due to obesity, child abuse or general retardness ect....that they must seek escape to a fantasy realm where they all could be as evil or as heroic as they wish they could be. But, fools its just a game and at the end of your 4 or 5hr wasting of life you return to reality. What is the reality for gamers.... Well its many factors such as extreme obesity(guys who havent seen their penis' since the eighties), straight ugliness due to falling off the ugly tree and hitting every branch, or the worst of all the so called philosopher gamer the guy that thinks all the mysteries of the universe can be discovered through reading the new newest clan novel or by playing the newest D&D module. It ridiculous, sad and extremely pathetic. Rise up and see life join the flock stop your adle-brained activity and join society lose weight, invest in plastic surgery, have some sex with either sex just experience it..... In essense get a REAL LIFE

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Postby MorganWolf » Wed Mar 06, 2002 12:16 pm

Buddy, whoever you are, since you dont have the balls to tell us who you are,just doesnt have the meaning of gaming whatsoever. Some of your thoughts are based somewhat in reality but taken to the extreme. Just the fact that you posted this shows your probably one of those type of people your talking about and before you even think Im that way I can tell you that I have experienced things in reality(just in case you dont know the difference) in other words dude I HAVE A LIFE !!! and so do other players, just because a few of them do gaming most of their life dont catagorize the rest of us. I just hate it when someone dumps on gamers it isnt fair to us and you taking the time to have written the above statement show you dont have anything to do either so cut the crap on gamers and get your own LIFE dude.

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Postby Peewee » Wed Mar 06, 2002 12:55 pm

Replay to Mr. Anonymous

First of all I’m very proud to see that you have too kept your Identity such a closely guarded secret, reminds me a lot of members of the KKK. But I won’t go there.

Second: You do not have the right to tell anyone what to do and not to do with there time. You’re accusations about not having a ‘life’ as you so well put it are false and without merit. You don’t know us, you have no idea who most of us are, and hell if you did, then you are just as two-faced as most of the people I have meet at night clubs.
We all have lives, maybe these lives are not exactly what you perceive as a ‘real life’… hold on, and let’s take a look at that.

A real life

For me a ‘real life’
1) Is one where I have good times with my friends
2) Have self respect
3) Enjoy myself
4) Do something I am proud of
5) and have someone to love who returns such love
6) Never Regret any time I spent doing anything

I have fulfilled every part of the above

1) I have a huge group of friends, all of these respect me as I respect them
2) I love my self and what I do
3) I not only game but go to raves, movies, book stores, and hang at south beach
4) I work at an Engineering Firm (chances are making more then you) and work my dream job at night.. I write and work for a gaming company writing gaming martial.
5) I have Michele a very cute gamer girl
6) I love the 4 to 5 hr I spend with my friends when I run my game. We laugh, talk about our lives, and get into the game...

Society has slowly separated us into our own little homes and clicks. People have more friends on line who they have never met then they do in ‘real life’. Gaming for many busy people is a way to meet and greet other people. Clubs, like this one create and form a sense of community, one which slowly we are starting to lose in this day and age.

I’m sorry you feel like time with friends having fun is a ‘waste of time’ but do not bring your poison into our community. You are free to post here, but keep the nasty comments to your self.

Try and have an intelligent debate, I don’t think if you are capable of such a thing.

But hell, surprise me, prove me wrong
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Postby thetrickygnome » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:03 pm

To Anonymous / Grima Wormtongue,

I could sit here and vent all my fury
and anger over what you have said. I could
spout out obscenities and insult you in a
very profane way. I could tell Daniel and
ALbert, who monitor this forum to have you
removed permanently for being extremely
vulgar, insulting, and sardonic. But I
will try not to because in the end, it
would only serve to feed the filth & the
cycle of abuse and mudslinging that you
have already started. With that, let me
say this...
You claim you wasted 6 years of your
life roleplaying. I say that because of
your current attitude, you have done me
and all the other roleplayers a favor and
left our hobby. Your malicious nature is a
cancer we do not need. For the record, I,
like many gamers, have a job and a family.
Sure, some gamers are obsessed with the
game and take it to extremes but saying
that all gamers are fat, sex-starved, and
socially inept people is like saying that
every Middle-Eastern person who subscribes
to a non-Catholic religion is a terrorist
and we all know that is a stereotype based
on fear and hatred. WE play this game for
a variety of reasons, many of which are
simply based on fun and getting together
with our friends for a few hours. And yes,
we spend money on the D&D books & materials
to play the game as well. But consider that
most of us get together to play in a
private home or a convention instead of
being on the streets, spending our money
on drugs, doped up, drunk, or committing
crimes in order to be able to afford to
play. I would rather see a young person
spending time trying top learn & play this
game than learning how to set up a drive
by shooting or getting into drugs or some-
thing worse. WE play. We don't impose our
will on people or tell you what to like or
dislike. You keep referring to obescity of
gamers. I say many gamers do fall into this
category but it is their life, for better
or worse, and they don't infringe on your
way of life. You have chosen to leave
gaming. Now you want to "save" them from
themselves, from this mental monster that
is gaming. I say you should save yourself
from your own prejudices. Save yourself
from your own cloistered frustration and
anger that boils over in your words. Save
yourself from trying to run other peoples
lives and from the blind tunnel vision
that only lets you see the negative in a
hobby/game that has alot of positives as
well. Lastly, save us the trouble of your
verbal venom. It's woefully inappropriate.

I am a loving husband who is FAR from
obese. I have been married going on 4 years
now and despite a few bumps in the road,
love endures. I have been a responsible
employee at my job for the past 14 years
and I have always put my marriage, family,
and friends ahead of gaming. I understand
my priorites and I know when gaming is a
good thing and when it is taken too far.
Sometimes the line between gaming as a
hobby and gaming as an obsession blurs for
gamers, often they seem to be perpetually
unable to tell the difference between the
two. I feel for these people as do you.
You can be a gamer and still experience a
rich and wonderful life. I know because I
speak from experience. You have no right
to degrade gamers as a whole or to put us
all in one generalized category akin to
filth or dross. That smacks of utter
ignorance and only cheapens and makes all
your words worth dismissing.

Finally, you are a coward. You post your
words anonymously, trying to steal our
dignity and respect like a theif in the
night would steal a car. You lack the
courage to identify yourself and put your
own beliefs and truths to the fire and
test their strength. No, you hide and
skulk around, tossing your barbs like
knives in our backs from shadows of utter
obscurity. I am not afraid to stand with
my words and to challenge your assumption
of all us GAMERS. You are wrong beyond
words. Grow up. You left gaming. Good. We
could do without your cancer WHOEVER YOU
MAY BE.

Signed- Rene' Alfonso
Husband and caretaker to a loving family.
Employee of the same job for 14 years.
Far from obese ( though what difference
does it make anyway )
A proud gamer with a LIFE beyond a game
And someone who doesn't judge the many on
the poor examples of a few.

Tag- your it Mr Anonymous. Do you have
the courage to identify yourself ? Nah, I
didn't think so.

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Postby thetrickygnome » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:12 pm

To Green Knight,

Transformers !!! Man, they are one of
the coolest cartoons ever. Optimus Prime
was the man!! A true hero in every way
possible. You are not alone my friend. You
are not the only guy that likes them.
Trust me. As the Autobot saying goes " Til
all are one. "

Peace out my friend.
Rene' Alfonso

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Postby Green Knight » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:31 pm

<blockquote>clicks</blockquote>

*raises hand* It's spelled "clique".

And glad to see I'm not the only Transformers fan around here. With the exception of Beast Machines, I've loved everything about it ever since it came out in 1984 when I was 6. They're gonna come out with a 4 disk DVD set of the first season in like a month or two, so you may want to check that out. I'm planning on getting that, as well as the new Transformers comic (haven't collected comics since 94, but I'll collect this). I'm also anxiously anticipating the new series "Transformers: Armada" which comes out this fall. You can see a picture of Armada Prime <a href="http://www.comicon.com/gallery/categories/Other_Comics_Publishers/media/Autobot4.jpg">here</a>.

As for the topic at hand, I think this'll be good for a laugh, all around. :smile:

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Postby grey » Wed Mar 06, 2002 1:39 pm

On 2002-03-06 09:38, Anonymous Coward wrote:
How this turns into a bashing of Football I will never know.... But back to the topic at hand. Losers are what gaming attracts. Losers who are so disillusioned with their normal lives due to obesity, child abuse or general retardness ect....that they must seek escape to a fantasy realm where they all could be as evil or as heroic as they wish they could be. But, fools its just a game and at the end of your 4 or 5hr wasting of life you return to reality. What is the reality for gamers.... Well its many factors such as extreme obesity(guys who havent seen their penis' since the eighties), straight ugliness due to falling off the ugly tree and hitting every branch, or the worst of all the so called philosopher gamer the guy that thinks all the mysteries of the universe can be discovered through reading the new newest clan novel or by playing the newest D&D module. It ridiculous, sad and extremely pathetic. Rise up and see life join the flock stop your adle-brained activity and join society lose weight, invest in plastic surgery, have some sex with either sex just experience it..... In essense get a REAL LIFE

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Well the point I was trying to make by comparing d&d to football. Is that Many people go out and waste a few hours doing something with others. And you also talk about escaping reality. What's so wrong with that? Trying to be in reality 24/7 is not healthy. You'll burn yourself out if you try to do that to yourself. Why do you think there are so many escapest vacations to exotic lands or islands. Do you really think that a safari to Africa or a trip to Heathenism in Jamaica is a reality driven. Hell no. You take those trips to get away from your boring stressful job. Even high powered executives get away from "reality" for 2 weeks out of the year to some fantastic location. We have to do it, it's in our nature.
Quite frankly I think your whole argument that about gamers needing to get a life is stupid. They are leading the life that they choose to, just because it's different from yours now. Doesn't mean it's wrong. It's just different, and that difference is what makes the world go round. If we were meant to all be like you we'd have a hive mentality and antenni on our forehead.
Oh and I wanted to add.. What kind of loser are you to be posting to a message board frequented by those people you despise so much? I thought you wanted to get away from us and go get a life? Sounds to me like your still addicted to gamming but you don't want to admit to it. How about we invite you to come play some d&d buddy. Come on. You know you wanna play. Here are some dice.... roll a d20. you know you want to. I can see your hand spasming. mwuahahahaah
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