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Postby grey » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:52 pm

Did Joel remodel?
that place needs alot of work.
and honestly if joel were to ask I'm sure we could all pitch in and help clean up the place some.
and by some i mean gutting everything out and redoing it all.
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Postby The Heretic » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:19 pm

How many RPGA games have you sponsored at a store in the last
year in order to bring some fun and enthusiasm to the D&D game?


I dont sponsor games right now. I am talking about walking into a store to buy things, and not needing a shower upon leaving. I am talking about ok customer service, not like what I heard recently about the kid who walked in and saw a girl behind the counter..( who is this girl?). The kid said he was just looking and was told to come back when he had money. Shocking? No. Everyone has had a Sunshine crappy customer service issue. Some people just don't realize it, and as far as sponsoring games, its a choice of the organizers to go to Sunshine. Why not go to Mark at Outland and sponser the game there. But apparently we are going to stick with the sterotypical gamer aversion to cleanliness, order, and air conditioning. I mean all Outland has to offer is an cooperative owner, space, parking, no mold in the air, KFC/Longjohn Silver across the way, Coldstone a door away, and a Bonefish Grill at the corner. Ick! No instead give them no parking, a class c McDonalds, and well....Sunshine. Yeah!
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Postby MrFilthyIke » Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:39 pm

I'm so glad I have Sci-Fi City and Collesium of Comics, I can shop in professional game stores nowadays. :2

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Postby lostpike » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:51 pm

I just dont want to drive that far south. I live in miami lakes.
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Postby grey » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:58 pm

welcome to miami where everything is a 30 min drive.
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Postby MrFilthyIke » Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:38 am

grey wrote:welcome to miami where everything is a 30 min drive.


Due to idiots, it should only be 10-15min. :roll:

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Postby thetrickygnome » Thu Jul 06, 2006 3:08 pm

It is true that there have been people who have had poor experiences
with Sunshine Roleplayers so I'm not gonna sit here and it hasn't
happened. What I can say is that the store has made efforts to
improve its appearance and ambiance. It can get better but it is by
far not the slum that you portray it to be Adolpho. Also...

1) I was unaware that Sunshine had so much control over the
types and names of businesses and restaurants that could congregate
around it. Wow... that would be cool. So what you're saying is that it's
Sunshines fault that a bad McDonalds happens to share the same
plaza as them. I was unaware that Sunshine Roleplayers had such
power that it could decide who opens up a business and what type
of business around them. I wish I had such control over picking my
neighbors. That makes perfect sense.. NOT.

2) I was also unaware that it was Sunshine Roleplayers fault that
the area around it didn't have enough parking. Funny thng is the last
10-12 times I've gone, I've never had a problem finding a parking
space. So what you're saying is that its Sunshine Roleplayers fault
that it can't arbitrarily tear up businesses and streets around it and
just decide to make more parking spaces. Once again, you are
applying blame to a condition which Sunshine Roleplayers has no
power over.

The truth of the matter is that I like Outland Station but as has been
mentioned before, for some of us, it is a long drive. Sunshine Role-
players is at a centralized location and I know for a fact that economics
and location play a role in why Sunshine has been there for so long
but I guess you don't think that economics or location have anuthing
to do with the well being or continuity of a business. If this is the case
then I feel badly for you.

Outland Station is much bigger, the parking situation is admittedly
better, and Mark is a solid upstanding owner who I give nothing but
props to. I wish it were closer however.

Nonetheless, I remember many months ago, perhaps even over a year
ago that you pledged to bring the Miami Circle and gaming in our
region back to a Golden Age of sorts. You said you were tired of this
and that and that you were going to kick ass and get things going
once more. Well we're still waiting for you to do this... even after over
a year of this pledge.

The point is that everyone has shortcomings. No one is perfect but I
think it's improtant to acknowledge when a person or a place is making
attempts to better themselves, something you refuse to see in Sun-
shine Roleplayers. Furthermore, you blame them for things they have
no power over such as the way the parking around them is structured
or the businesses that decide to congregate around them. To be
really honest with you, you are just coming off as a spiteful person.
Granted, you made some valid points but there is also alot of pent up
anger and spite in your words. Lastly, if you are so unhappy about the
placement of local gaming, then get up and do something about it that
amounts to more than just verbal bashing. Start to organize some
games or cons, get some DMs, set up some form of continuity for the
local gaming scene at Outland Station. In the end, having more gaming
in more places is better for the gaming community overall.

So far you have not done so. You are free to post what you want &
offer your opinions but the bottom line is this. The choice is simple -
either step up to the plate and get things going or sit back and let
others do it. You ended your post by jabbing at what Sunshine Role-
players has to offer. Well, I'd like to know what you have to offer to
the local organization of gaming because you complain alot about
Sunshine Roleplayers and speak of the merits of Outland Station but
I don't see you taking the time or effort to organize games at Outland
Station.

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Postby Thanos » Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:36 pm

The new shelves open Sunshine a lot. Sunshine is good enough for me to drive over an hour to play. Sunshine is hard core RPG and war gaming which I like I wish I was closer so I could come to more game days.

I went to outland 1 time and they had a very small selection of RPG material. It seems that place focuses more on collectible and comics. I am not saying this is bad it is just a different kind of store. Both are fine for gaming but I prefer Sunshine.

As far as Micky D's being near SS all I can say is thank god :). We would have no place to take a leek ;). I have ate there many times and the food is no worse or better then any other Micky D's as far as I can tell.

I have never had any problem getting parking and I have a large truck. If you have to park in front of the store you may have a problem finding a good spot. I suggest you don't park next to a tree unless you like bird sh*t all over your car. If you don't mind walking 100 yards you can find much better parking spot.

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Postby MrFilthyIke » Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:24 am

Hey Rene, I tried giving Joel a second chance as I've said before. He used that opportunity to harrass me in his store when I went there a few years back to "give him a chance to prove he's cleaned up". He made his choice with me, let him rot in his bed he made. Either way, his little shop is of no consequence to me these days. :)

PS: Outland rocks, support Mark. 8)

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Postby thetrickygnome » Fri Jul 07, 2006 12:24 pm

There was alot of bad blood between the two of you and I think that
might have been a reason why it didn't work out. I'm not faulting you
for that at all and you are certainly entitled to your sentiments in
regards to your experience. To give you an example of how Joel has
done somethings to try & repair the damage, a friend of mine named
Rene' Hidalgo had a beef with Joel as well over something that
occurred. He was also very harsh in his posts on Joel and the store.
Joel read the posts and was upset and tried amend the situation and
speak to Rene' H. in private. Rene H. went to the store one day and
he and Joel talked it out. Not only did they come to an understanding
but Joel gave his a $30 D&D book FREE for the troubles and as a
gesture of good faith. This was not some useless book either- it was
one of the Complete books which is a Core book for D&D play.

In any case, no store or person is perfect and I know that Joel is
trying to make things better. I see it when I go there and we talk
about it all the time. He always asks for feedback because he cares.
If he didn't, he'd blow off what people say and have never done
anything to better the situation. One of my main points about all of
this is that ALOT of people spend ALOT of energy constantly asault-
ing his store and him verbally on this public board but most of these
people don't get up off their asses and try to promote gaming at
other locations or stores. Like I said before, some people talk a good
fight but wilt at the first sign of trouble or pressure while others
make conscious efforts to promote and enhance the gaming
experience for the betterment of the game and the players. In the
end, I'll take the latter of the two any day.

And by the way, I've passed by Sci-fi city on my trips to cons to
Orlando. That place is huge and it is great. Also, if some sort of
regular gaming was started at Outland, that would be great. I my-
self could not make it every time but I know it would be a positive
experience for the gaming community. Mark is very cool, always
has been with me.

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Postby grey » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:14 pm

You know Rene this is also a big complaint of mine.

I'm of the school of, If you don't like something then get off your ass and do something about it / help someone do something about it.

If you're not helping to change the situation then it's not really that important to you.

Now obviously not everyone has the time to put in effort to make a change. We have work and or significant others that take up our time.
However maybe once a year we can get off our asses and do something to help.
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That's what I'm saying

Postby thetrickygnome » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:47 pm

This is my exact point Albert.
How many times ahve me, you, Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami,, and Peter in years past
spearheaded the action of local gaming with home games, cons,
days, ect. How many times have we brought our own equipment
such as computers, printers, paper, ect. to cons to make sure the
players were well supplied. Even though the trend is changing and
other people are beginning to take up the mantle, there is still a
HUGE dependance on Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, to do everything or all avenues of
gaming to run thru him. That's ridiculous!!! We have one of the
part owners of the dynamic Living Arcanis campaign living in Miami,
we have a Triad for LG ( myself ) living down here and you and
Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, who are computer wizards and Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami,'s extensive knowledge
of the RPGA & ordering games / setting up cons. Look at what
Raymond started with the M.A.G.O program in the schools. But even
with all that, we need help sometimes and we shouldn't have to be the
ones people depend on so much.

So yeah, maybe some people don't like gaming at Joels store. I
am not one of them and alot of other people don't mind. What is
stopping those people who have a problem with the store from
getting up " off their asses " as you and me have said, and starting
their own gaming sessions at Outland? This week alone, I finished
statting out 2 APLs for the WiPoU BI, read over and approved the
changes to The Web metaorg, since I am the Triad in charge of
this, and am working with Matt to coordinate his APLs for the BI
as well., In addition, I an also writing two outline drafts for LG mods
and constantly monitoring up to 6-8 Lg related Yahoo boards on a
daily basis as well as trying to hammer out a way to get Special
Missions running smoothly. All this while my son is suffering a
chronic illness that will require minor surgery sometime next month.

So I tip my hat to guys like David McPike who is always trying to
run games for other players or P.J. who is really doing some amazing
stuff for Blackmoor ( all he needed was a chance ). The people I
think really blow are those who complain and whine about a store
or a person incessantly in terms of why they feel people shouldn't
game there and yet they don't lift a finger to promote or start any
kind of gaming anywhere else.

Guys like me, you, Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami,, Peter, Raymond, and PJ and a few others
have worked very hard at local gaming. So when I hear people just
complaining at not doing anything to resolve their issues for the
betterment of the gaming community it really irks me.

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Postby grey » Fri Jul 07, 2006 1:50 pm

hmm....


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Postby Ozymandius » Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:33 pm

Sweet, got credit!

Well, there is a lot to be said on this subject.

Really we do have a good group to start something going but our problem is we are really control freaks, yes its true. Our personalities clash a lot with each other, point in case during slot 0's.

However I think The Summoning for this year will be an opportunity for us to prepare ourselves for WiPoU 2007 when unfortunately Miami will host the Florida PoU weekend.

Our 2004 showing of WiPoU I believe when Raymon took the helm due to unfortunate circumstances, showed that one person, when they have the drive and the ideas to do so, can put together an awesome convention and prove that gaming is not dead here in Miami.

However that was a lot of work and I spent many nights at Ramon's (OMG I'm spelling his name wrong I hope he doesn't read this!) putting together gift bags, setting up tables, printing junk, and trying to schedule judges and slot 0's.

I believe that the Summoning is going to be a test run for us for WiPoU 2007 and we are going to have to try real hard (and start super early) to begin setting up for this project. Really people complain about coming to Miami and with good reason, we've got hardly any room, hotel's are far and few between with good quality and won't steal your damn frickin' laptops and phones... And they complain about the drive down (Even though its the same distance for us to go to Tallahassee but we'll keep quiet since we're going to TriCon).

So hopefully we'll pull together for the Summoning and we'll get to see a great showing of Living Arcanis/Blackmoor/Living Greyhawk and run a good con.

So when should planning for WiPoU begin? Rene?

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Postby Xylona Ajani » Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:00 pm

I have been playing D&D for four months now, and here is a little point of view from a newbie. I was curious when I would here Ralph, The Godfather of DnD in Miami, at work speak about D&D, I really did not know much about it. Until one day, I finally made up my mind and I went to a game to see what D&D was all about. I met some of the most kindest people, who took the time to explain D&D to me and help me understand how to play and set up my character sheet. It made me see how fun playing D&D and roleplaying different characters can be. Now I can say that I have a fourth level LG character and a secound level Blackmore and LA character. I am working on preparing my second LG character now. I look foward to playing on a weekly basis, and just beening able to say "Hey that is one for the newbie, I actualy know that rule without having to look it up". It does not matter to me were the games are hosted, the point is that a group of individuals, who at one point in there lives did not even know of one another, get togheter and play this amazing roleplaying game and also get to kick someone ass. How good is that. I have gone to play at Sunshine and I have always had such a great time playing my character in the adventure, that I do not even focus on the appearance of the location. I have no problem going, or inviting anyone to go check out Sunshine. I thank those individuals who take the time to organize games, DM games and involve new player to the world of D&D (like myself). If my help could ever come to be needed to help motivate more people in Miami to play D&D, I will be more than happy to lend a helping voice or hand. :)


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